Jeremy Gryder: Host of the Ecommerce Redneck Podcast

^{Joe Fox (00:01.427)}
Hey everyone, Joe Fox here, president at Growave. Thank you for tuning into another episode of the Retain Grow Thrive Podcast. Today, I am joined by a good friend of mine that I've known for quite some time. I'm super excited to kind of jump in with Jeremy Gryder. He himself is the self professed e-commerce redneck, and we'll hear a little bit more about how he got that nickname and what that means.

and yeah, just super excited because Jeremy has a very, very vast and, you know, very strong experience in the e-commerce scene. He's been one of the early people at big commerce. He's been really on the cutting edge of a lot of things, e-commerce. So today I'm welcomed by Jeremy, Jeremy, thanks for joining us.

_{Jeremy Gryder (00:48.022)}
Man, I am so excited to be on this podcast. I, one of my best meetings I've ever had partnership meetings I've ever had was with you, Joe. And, I felt like we walked away from that friends and you know, I love that.

^{Joe Fox (01:04.129)}
Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, no, definitely. And the feeling is very mutual. I've wanted to have you on since the early days of this podcast. So I'm glad we can we can make this happen today. So, Jeremy, for the audience, you know, obviously, we've got a lot of a wide ranging audience, we have a lot of people who work on the agency side of things in partnerships, tech partnerships, a lot of the people that we all know in this e commerce community.

But we have a lot of our, you know, customers and the Growave merchants sort of tune in and watch the podcast as well. So Jeremy, I'd love to know from you, how did the name e-commerce redneck come about? That's first of all. And second, tell us a little bit about your history and, and, and, know, like, as I said, you've been in e-comm for a very long time. You're very experienced. So, tell us a little bit about that.

^{Jeremy Gryder (01:44.462)}
Hahaha.

^{Jeremy Gryder (01:56.192)}
Well, the e-commerce redneck thing, honestly was kind of a marketing thing I came up with. but, it, it really is based on the fact that, you know, I'm a fifth generation Texan. I come from a very good family, very diverse family in the sense of, even, you know, Hispanics and others that are in, in the mix, you know, so it's.

If you're a Texas family that's been here long enough, that's just how it is, you know? so Redneck for me didn't really have the connotation of anything bad. It makes me think of blue collar folks. I started out blue collar. I started out working construction and I also did valet and other jobs like that. But.

_{Joe Fox (02:29.44)}
Yeah.

^{Joe Fox (02:44.0)}
May 2, May 2. Yep.

_{Jeremy Gryder (02:48.046)}
You know, I really appreciate blue collar folks and up until I hurt my neck, you know, I always thought that was a easy win. If I ever lost my job, I could always work a blue collar job if I had to. So, but, uh, yeah. So, you know, to be honest, one of the coolest things about it is I was going through a really hard time, uh, you know, in my life after I left big commerce, which I'll talk about my career a little bit in a, in a little while.

I basically gotten two wrecks within three weeks of each other in 2019. And I left big commerce in October of 2019. This happened in December and began a journey of a medical journey that really kind of sidelined me almost for a while.

You know, I came out of that recovered, I had a neck surgery. Thank God I had a bone spur growing into my spine. So I was just really depressed and in a bad mindset and I was trying to figure out a way to put myself out there. And honestly, that's all this is, is a way to push myself to put myself out there. But my favorite thing is when I go to events and show up with the e-commerce redneck shirt and cowboy hat on people lose it. They love it. They laugh.

^{Joe Fox (04:01.543)}
Yeah. Yeah.

_{Jeremy Gryder (04:05.589)}
And that's the reaction I want. I'm, you know, I try to push kindness and love out in everything that I do. My background started basically, you know, like I said, construction and all that and through high school. but went to Bible college. And when I got out of Bible college was kind of the same time as if, you know, a lot of things were happening with Catholic priests. I won't get into that, but it was hard to find a job. If you were a single guy as a minister of any type.

even in the Protestant Church. And I ended up getting in sales with Danko Office Imaging. Watched seven people get thrown out the door in the first year I was there. In the second year I was there, me and two other guys helped that company a ton and we're dealing with a lot of oil field public companies like Key Energy and such selling copiers to them. And the only people that beat us were in Manhattan.

^{Joe Fox (04:35.507)}
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

_{Jeremy Gryder (05:04.523)}
New York. yeah, it was pretty cool. It was pretty cool.

^{Joe Fox (05:05.021)}
Wow. Wow. I love that. I love that. That's such a, that's a cool journey. Very cool journey.

_{Jeremy Gryder (05:12.001)}
I also, through that journey ended up at a company that was a long-term care pharmacy, grew that exponentially into the millions. you know, what I found out in that was I could promote myself. I could market myself. And so I learned design. I learned how to build websites. I started doing newsletters and marketing and all sorts of tactics.

was very successful at that. And that's really what kind of led me into design, which a few years later would lead me to Musketball Group. I did do a little youth ministry in between there. But I went to Musketball Group, I don't even know what year, but like 17 years ago, 16 years ago. And I was the sales guy and designer.

And I did that for two years, worked myself up to a creative director position. ran our whole team for the agency, creative agency side of things. and then I ended up leaving, starting my own agency. And within a month, I, this new platform that I was going to use that I found out about big commerce had a hiring event. Well, I wanted to move to Austin. felt like there was more opportunity there and there was, and they.

hired me and you should have seen that resume Joe. It was hilarious. I think I posted it. was like, said hire a genius at the bottom. I'm a little bit cocky, I guess.

^{Joe Fox (06:35.708)}
Yeah.

^{Joe Fox (06:42.27)}
I love that. that's, you know, such, you know, there's a couple of really key call out points there. And I think, you know, the spreading the love and joy that's, that's very apparent. You know, you have a very, very larger than life personality. And, you know, as you said, that meeting we have where we, you know, went from partners to friends.

I think you have this very infectious kind of energy, which is really unique and refreshing. And, and, I love that. And obviously that's carried you and steered you very well, you know, throughout your sales career and building your profile and everything like that. But I love that, kind of duality of being able to be creative and do sales, right? Because a lot of the time, I think sometimes those things can be siloed, but having the ability to be able to do both.

_{Jeremy Gryder (07:28.023)}
Mm-hmm.

^{Joe Fox (07:35.065)}
is really impressive and I can, I can see that in your personality. So that's, that's really cool. And I think to another point, I really loved the fact that big commerce being an Australian company company originally, and then the, the Texas tie in with Austin and everything like that. And you and I have discussed that. I think it's a really interesting kind of culture crossover between Australia and Texas. There's something that resonates there.

_{Jeremy Gryder (07:47.991)}
Yeah.

_{Jeremy Gryder (08:02.537)}
it's huge,

^{Joe Fox (08:04.101)}
Yeah, there's something that resonates there.

_{Jeremy Gryder (08:06.829)}
Well, I think it's partially because y'all have a lot of deadly things and so do we, you know. Maybe it makes you live a certain way.

^{Joe Fox (08:11.421)}
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You've got to be a certain way because you know that there could be a snake bite just around the corner coming to get you. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

_{Jeremy Gryder (08:24.179)}
Right, right. You got to be a good person. Well, and you know, one of the things that I'm really proud of about this state is that, you know, a lot of people don't realize this, but there were three ports that people came through New York, San Francisco and Galveston. And this beautiful state has been filled with the people of many countries and blessed with their cultures. We are a mixture of our own thing.

^{Joe Fox (08:41.008)}
Okay.

^{Joe Fox (08:48.845)}
Absolutely.

_{Jeremy Gryder (08:51.913)}
And most people don't get it, but we're Texans first, then we're Americans, and then we're citizens of the world.

^{Joe Fox (08:56.957)}
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I couldn't agree more. I love it. And I think like that hospitality and that welcoming, you know, component is just so apparent. know, you're a very shining example of that. You're an ambassador, you're a very good, strong ambassador for Texas. So I always appreciate the warm welcome. You do well.

_{Jeremy Gryder (09:15.885)}
I'm trying to be, every once in a while my Californian friends don't like the redneck part of my name, but I don't mean any harm by it. It really is just trying to be a good representation of the type of people I come from, which are good country folk that, you know, I mean, my great grandmother was half Native American, you know.

And, you know, so my blood runs deep, even more than the five generations, I'm sure, but I don't want to, you know, jump the shark on that or anything. But, you know, I just I think it's important and it's beautiful when people like you who are absolutely great for Texas and understand and get it and appreciate that person walk into the door and stopping and holding the door for you or your wife.

^{Joe Fox (09:49.509)}
Yeah

_{Jeremy Gryder (10:08.843)}
you know, as they walk in the store, yes, ma'am, no, ma'am. that's something that, you know, in this country, I'm not going to get political obviously, but in this country, we've got so much divisiveness. And I think the third, first thing that we can do towards being more unified and kind to one another is just show a little politeness. And that's what I see all over this state that I'm very proud of.

^{Joe Fox (10:09.563)}
Yeah.

^{Joe Fox (10:31.354)}
Yes!

^{Joe Fox (10:34.904)}
Absolutely. No, couldn't agree more. And, you know, coming from, you know, another country being Australia and moving here, I really sometimes don't think that everyone realizes how lucky they have it here. I think America is, such a beautiful multicultural, you know, place and that's such a strength. And I think, you know, every, I think everyone is a lot closer than they realize if they put aside their differences, I think.

At the end of the day, everyone is a lot more aligned and a lot of us all want the same things out of life, right? And that's to be happy and to be ourselves and to enjoy the freedoms of this country. So I agree a hundred percent.

_{Jeremy Gryder (11:10.093)}
Mm-hmm.

_{Jeremy Gryder (11:15.437)}
Well, I'll say in Texas, generally we're a live and let live state. and I love that about this state because we don't have to get in everybody's stuff. And I'm not saying necessarily again, not getting political. I'm just saying personally how people treat people. I love that. You know,

^{Joe Fox (11:20.068)}
Yes.

^{Joe Fox (11:23.652)}
Yes.

^{Joe Fox (11:36.537)}
Yes. Yeah, absolutely. And I think, you know, we're lucky in the industry we're in, where there is quite a good embracing, you know, sort of community, everyone's very, you know, it's very multicultural, multifaceted, multi-belief, but everyone really respects each other for who they are and the differences that they have. And I think we're very lucky. It's almost like the Econ community is an extension of Texas.

_{Jeremy Gryder (11:51.799)}
Mm-hmm.

_{Jeremy Gryder (12:04.809)}
It is, and I'll tell you, you the beautiful thing that the culture I grew up in was heavily Hispanic. there were some, some, people of all different races, but, primarily Hispanic. So I didn't have a lot of exposure and, funniest thing, you know, I was employed number 40 or so in the States here for big commerce, maybe 70 worldwide, counting all the guys in Australia. And, one of the guys, Patrick Yang.

And man, I just think of this like man what this really speaks to the culture we had for those seven and half years I was at BigCommerce And Patrick I said so and mind you this is completely not knowing the language is wrong But I go so what kind of oriental are you and I didn't know the language is wrong And he just looked at me and he he smiled and he goes well. I'm not a rug

^{Joe Fox (12:40.003)}
Yes.

Yeah, yeah.

^{Joe Fox (12:55.8)}
Yes, yeah.

^{Joe Fox (13:00.543)}
Yeah.

_{Jeremy Gryder (13:00.941)}
And, and then he explained it to me, you know? And so being a guy that, that didn't understand certain things, just because I wasn't in an Austin like, like Austin is a melting pot. Like people come from all over the world and there's all kinds of food and international stuff. It is a great place to educate yourself on culture and big commerce was a proponent of that. There was a lot of good people there still is. and it.

^{Joe Fox (13:10.2)}
Yes.

Yes. Yeah.

_{Jeremy Gryder (13:30.509)}
It was a great time. had nine positions in seven and a half years.

^{Joe Fox (13:37.454)}
Wow. Wow. That's huge. That's amazing. Can I ask on that then? Yep. Sorry.

_{Jeremy Gryder (13:41.109)}
Yeah. Well, the, especially when I, when I had one of them for four and a half years. So all the other ones were really quick.

^{Joe Fox (13:48.312)}
Yes, yeah, that's...

That's, that's awesome. Can I ask you because you know, that was such an inflection point in e-commerce that that run that you had within big commerce. and, and I really want to tie this into kind of the current state of e-commerce in general, where we're at today with everything that's happening in AI and, know, Shopify recently have released, this, you know, agentic AI with chat, GPT and all of those sorts of things.

But I'd love to get from your opinion because of that, you know, very long span you've had in e-commerce. What was the biggest change that you saw in e-commerce during your time at BigCommerce?

_{Jeremy Gryder (14:36.161)}
Well, the coolest change I got to be a part of. So I'm really excited about that, but it was, we did a project called the well project and that was to move, move up market. Well, Shopify hadn't moved up market with Shopify plus yet. And mind you, I'm not saying I inspired them necessarily, but they would have had to have known it happened.

^{Joe Fox (14:47.683)}
Okay.

_{Jeremy Gryder (15:01.549)}
but we moved up market with our largest clients. called them for six months, got cussed out every day because we were saying, hey, you're paying us 30 bucks or 300 bucks was our highest plan. And we were going, you're going to pay us 3000 or 10,000 or whatever, you know, and they're like, no, we're not. And it's like usage, you know, and they knew it was coming. What the funniest thing is most of them said we knew this was common, but we did that with an 88 %

^{Joe Fox (15:08.185)}
You

_{Jeremy Gryder (15:29.607)}
accuracy in between me and a gentleman named Victor Soros, we were able to effectively move big commerce up market. And I even have a quote from Brent Belm about that, that I'm about to release. But, but you know, great time. I will say the most influential person in my life during that time probably was Robert Alvarez, the CFO.

^{Joe Fox (15:32.333)}
WAAA

^{Joe Fox (15:45.197)}
Yes, Brent. Yeah.

_{Jeremy Gryder (15:58.604)}
I can't tell you how many times he talked me out of walking out the doors when I was frustrated. And he had a character trait that he pushed on people and it was being ambitious. And that is to be both ambitious and humble. And that's so important, know? And I mean, honestly, I'm one of those people, I got a nose ring and a ton of tattoos. I don't care what people think of me. you, yeah, and so.

^{Joe Fox (16:12.553)}
Yes, I like that.

^{Joe Fox (16:23.511)}
Me too.

_{Jeremy Gryder (16:26.901)}
Man, if you have a problem with me, get on you, go ruin your own day. but, but, I'll tell you being humbishes is really important to me because I, personally think that these people that get too full of themselves are the first people to get taken out in any commerce, you know, Shopify is the clear winner as far as the general market. Right.

^{Joe Fox (16:30.413)}
Yeah. Yeah.

_{Jeremy Gryder (16:55.275)}
Big commerce is really for open source type feel on SaaS. But I really think it's going to come down to Shopify and shopware for the most part. Being two dynamically completely different things. And I say shopware, I mean shopware and Shopify plus. I think if you can fit in Shopify's box and the appification of things works.

^{Joe Fox (17:08.524)}
Yes. Yeah.

_{Jeremy Gryder (17:21.599)}
Not a bad thing, by the way. I know you have Growave and it's an incredible, incredible app on Shopify, but Shopware is kind of the answer to Magento, but easier and developers actually like it and it's super secure. So I think that's one that's sneaking up and I'll tell you, he showed me, you know, kind of the, how things were going and it was very almost flat, just barely going and then.

^{Joe Fox (17:24.119)}
Yes, yeah.

^{Joe Fox (17:36.118)}
Yes.

_{Jeremy Gryder (17:49.609)}
at the end of the year just hockey sticked last year. So they're getting real brands.

^{Joe Fox (17:52.194)}
Yeah. Yeah. I'm seeing the, I am seeing them pop up a lot. I must say. I think like to your point around the Magento side of things, they've really evolved from my understanding of shopwares. They've really evolved the product to fit like feedback. Like they really clearly take on product feedback. They really are addressing.

_{Jeremy Gryder (18:12.599)}
Mm-hmm.

^{Joe Fox (18:16.724)}
In the market, what is important. And I think, you know, that amazing event where you did all of the live, you know, podcasts. Yeah. I loved that. Like that was a really big turnout. I saw a lot of like people within our community that we share as mutual friends and colleagues. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone was there. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone was there. And it's, it's very interesting to see. And I think you're a hundred percent. Right. I think that is the next.

_{Jeremy Gryder (18:23.383)}
Choptoberfest.

It's fine.

_{Jeremy Gryder (18:32.641)}
Yeah, Irish Titan. Yeah, Irish Titan, Blazer. Yeah, everyone was.

_{Jeremy Gryder (18:44.033)}
Well, that's, that's the telltale sign. That's the telltale sign. You see agencies going, should check this out. And there's the, some of the best agencies like above the fray or crimson agility, all these really awesome, specified Magento high end guys are going shop. Where's the thing you got to listen.

^{Joe Fox (18:47.519)}
Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

^{Joe Fox (19:07.626)}
Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Okay, so I know you and I could riff forever. And I know we're definitely going to do a part two on this. But I know, no, no, no, there's there's two more things I really, really want to cover off. Yes, absolutely. Well, that's what I want to dive into. I want to dive into the podcast, your podcast, where people can find that podcast.

_{Jeremy Gryder (19:15.117)}
Yeah, sorry.

We got to do the part two on e-commerce shred neck in person.

^{Joe Fox (19:34.895)}
and then the next thing I just want to quickly dive into after that. let's cover off on that. Tell me about the podcast. You know, I know that I always see, you know, to the point where we're just talking about shoptoberfest, you know, I really loved how you jumped in and did the live podcast with some of the people that we both, you know, love and respect in this industry, like Darren Lynch over at Irish Titan. Tell me more about the podcast. Like where can people

_{Jeremy Gryder (19:43.68)}
Mm-hmm.

_{Jeremy Gryder (19:59.415)}
Mm-hmm.

^{Joe Fox (20:02.721)}
connect with the podcast, what's the ethos behind the podcast, and what are your plans for the podcast? Because I mean, I feel you could really turn that into a live weekly show if you wanted to. It's that good.

_{Jeremy Gryder (20:15.37)}
Yeah, I appreciate that and we have kind of a live show every other week But we're about to transform that kind of as a landing spot because we're trying to build community within witty the witty e-community witty w i t i dot com They have 36,000 tech professionals and we're trying to build an e-commerce branch of it so we need more guys like you to attend that and just be a part but

I'm doing more podcasts one off and I'm to be doing a ton in person with some big hitters in Austin and beyond. But the places that you can find me, just so you understand, I started this podcast for LinkedIn. It is not for YouTube. If you look at my YouTube, you will laugh. I have like 77 subscribers. So go over to e-commerce, Radneck and you know, subscribe. But I have quite a few views on there still.

^{Joe Fox (20:55.307)}
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

_{Jeremy Gryder (21:07.488)}
But where I really get attention is LinkedIn. So I am very business oriented, business focused. I am looking to grow it more on LinkedIn and business influence than anything. Now, I only have around 5,000 followers, but I'm connected to a ton of really high profile people that help me get exaggerated posts as far as like interactions and like really get a lot of influence and.

to prove that it's actually working. So if you're out there and want to be on a great podcast that has business influence, when you searched e-commerce and LinkedIn on Google in September, I was number 17. My personal, so please add me first on LinkedIn, Jeremy Gryder. I have the pink picture with me on it.

^{Joe Fox (21:50.994)}
Wow.

^{Joe Fox (22:00.181)}
And I'll make sure that's in the show notes as well. all of these links you mentioned will be in the show notes.

_{Jeremy Gryder (22:04.908)}
Okay.

And where you can really help me out is I'm pushing it a lot on YouTube too. And I would love to get that monetized and growing so I can do more with this. So please go over there and subscribe. It's just the e-commerce redneck. In fact, if you look up e-commerce redneck, lot of this stuff will come up. And honestly, Facebook, starting to get a little bit of a following on there. It's funny, on Facebook, just my personal post.

^{Joe Fox (22:30.195)}
Yeah. Yeah.

_{Jeremy Gryder (22:35.814)}
it's hilarious. I've, got over a hundred thousand views on my personal posts in three months. So, so there I'm getting momentum, you know.

^{Joe Fox (22:39.795)}
Wow. Wow. That's huge. Nice. Nice. Yeah, it's absolutely. And that's why I think it's important for the audience to be able to connect with you and see that because I think the insights that come out of the podcast are very impactful. So next. yep.

_{Jeremy Gryder (23:00.328)}
ecommerceredneck.com you can find all of it too. Sorry.

^{Joe Fox (23:04.924)}
Absolutely. And I'll make sure that's in the, in the show notes. Jeremy, one last thing, or two last things, actually, what are your predictions for what we're going to see in e-commerce next? We spoke earlier on the show about what we're seeing around all of this agentic AI is obviously, you know, the big buzz around what's happening at the moment. What do you sort of foresee happening in the next?

six to 12 months with EECOM.

_{Jeremy Gryder (23:36.953)}
hold on one second. Sorry. Trying to turn my phone off. what, you know, here's the thing. AI is going a hundred miles an hour. Moore's law is basically down to about four months now. if you are not actively in some sort of AI with your platform and using the intelligence in a smart way.

^{Joe Fox (23:45.076)}
No, you're right.

_{Jeremy Gryder (24:05.462)}
Cause there's over 1900 AI apps on Shopify. Not all of them are worth it, you know? So you got to figure out what's good for you as a vendor, but also, you know, platforms and apps like yours that are, you know, I would say right now you should focus on the intelligence around AI, both as how you can do that as a store, which on Shopify and

^{Joe Fox (24:10.185)}
Yes, yeah.

_{Jeremy Gryder (24:34.696)}
And others, I believe you're going to be able to do that through selling on a chat GPT. I don't know if it was today or yesterday. Shopify announced as well that basically that you can have a mixed multi cart with other Shopify stores, which, know, and they're about to they've always had a limitation on options of a hundred and they're about to get that.

^{Joe Fox (24:49.362)}
Yes, yesterday. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That's exciting. That's exciting.

_{Jeremy Gryder (25:00.576)}
completely blown out of the water to where it's like a ridiculous amount. So I'm, I'm really excited. think Shopify is ahead on most of it and they're going to stay ahead in the, for the majority. but I think too, the ones that are moving quick with AI and adapting and building reliable AI, that's important. Those guys, they're the, know, it's going to be a battle Royale, but pick your, pick your side with these guys. Cause you,

^{Joe Fox (25:27.346)}
Yes, yeah.

_{Jeremy Gryder (25:30.602)}
You need to be using AI. Like I heard one the other day, I can't remember the name or I'd plug it. but I heard about one the other day that was a abandoned cart with AI. It figures out the messaging for that specific. I'm like, abandoned carted. You can save like 15 % of carts out there if you do it right or more, you know.

^{Joe Fox (25:32.957)}
Yeah.

^{Joe Fox (25:42.652)}
Yes.

^{Joe Fox (25:51.051)}
Absolutely. Absolutely. It's, think we get, we're living in a world or we're in a not so distant future world where the conversion rate is going to be so much higher because everything is going to be so much more tailored and, and specific to that individual customer, so much more targeted, all utilizing AI to do so. So.

Yeah, it's crazy. I'll have to check out, I'll have to get the link for the Abandoned Cart one from you. That sounds interesting. I didn't even know that that was out. So I'll check that out for sure.

_{Jeremy Gryder (26:29.834)}
Yeah, man. There's a lot of cool stuff coming and yeah, that four month thing, that's a real thing. Keep an eye on that. If you're in business, I'm seeing a lot of really effective tools out there though. And so I'm excited, you know, things from personalization to more functional things, upsell, you know, really great customer support. There's all sorts of stuff out.

^{Joe Fox (26:39.528)}
Yeah.

^{Joe Fox (26:58.757)}
Yeah, it's all happening. Well, when we do our part two, which we'll have to do, you know, within the next 12 months, it'll be interesting because we'll be able to talk about some of these points. So, okay. So last, lastly, Jeremy on this one, I like asking everyone this because, you know, I know recently you did a amazing road trip, you know, with your son, you did the field of dreams, all, all of that sort of cool stuff. So I like to ask everyone this because.

_{Jeremy Gryder (27:08.972)}
Yeah.

_{Jeremy Gryder (27:21.014)}
Yeah!

^{Joe Fox (27:25.99)}
You know, in e-commerce in our industry, there's so many great things. And I think one of the great things is that we all travel a lot and a perfect example, you know, we've talked, we've spoken about, shoptoberfest and everything earlier, but I like to ask every guest, what it is that they can't travel without. And you can't say a person, but what is the one thing that you find that you can't, you know, hit the road without from a travel perspective.

_{Jeremy Gryder (27:53.995)}
Let's not go to phone. but man, I mean, that's a hard one. Probably my computer though, you know, but not even just for like staying in touch with business to be able to jump on and figure stuff out on the way at night and stuff. I like to at least have it even if I never get it out.

^{Joe Fox (27:56.614)}
Yeah. Yeah.

^{Joe Fox (28:02.64)}
Yeah. Yeah.

^{Joe Fox (28:16.551)}
Yes. Yeah. I'm very much the same. Yeah, I do too. I feel like, a big thing I'm trying to do more and more at events is really like, and I feel like I've always done it, but it's like getting that one on one time and realizing that sometimes the instant communication where we live in that can wait, let's do the instant in-person communication and really soak that in while we're here. So, I like that one. Jeremy.

^{Jeremy Gryder (28:17.93)}
I try not to get it out.

^{Joe Fox (28:46.67)}
Really, really, really great to view as a friend, great to have you as a partner. Thank you so much for coming on today. I've been really excited to do this one. And as I said, you and I could riff for hours. So we will definitely be doing a part two and I look forward to coming on to the e-commerce redneck podcast. Super excited for that. I feel like we only just scratch the surface. Let's do it. Let's do it. I'd love to, I'd absolutely love to,

_{Jeremy Gryder (28:59.275)}
Haha!

_{Jeremy Gryder (29:07.094)}
We can do it remote in the hill country too. We should do it that way.

^{Joe Fox (29:16.242)}
and we can always catch up over a coffee. look, my friend, thank you so much for coming on today. Audience, I'll make sure every single link that Jeremy mentioned is included in the show notes. Please, please, please go connect with Jeremy. encourage you to. His podcast is phenomenal. The insights that come out of that are amazing and his content is second to none. So check him out, connect with him on LinkedIn. Very, very approachable as you've seen today. So feel free to reach out to him and say hello and.

I mentioned that you saw him on the Retain Grow Thrive podcast, but Jeremy, thank you so much for coming on board my friend and you enjoy the rest of day, the rest of the week and look forward to catching up with you again soon.

_{Jeremy Gryder (29:59.628)}
Absolutely. It was great Joe. Thank you for having me on and don't forget go to ecommerceredneck.com

^{Joe Fox (30:06.363)}
Thank you, Jeremy, chat to you soon. Audience, thank you so much for tuning into another episode of Retain Grow Thrive, the Growave podcast. I'm your host and president at Growave, Joe Fox. And please, as I mentioned, make sure you check out the links in the show notes so you can connect with Jeremy wherever you are, wherever you feel. But I think LinkedIn is a very, very great place to connect with him initially. Thank you, audience. And I'll see you again soon.

_{Jeremy Gryder (30:38.231)}
Awesome.